Ep 98 - Is Catholicism Manly? Why Andrew Tate is Wrong About Jesus and His Church

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Hello, all welcome to another episode of the Manly Catholic I'm James, with Fowler Dom Brother. It's been a while. It was the last time we recorded in person. We had this Zoom and that was a disaster. We were a little no on it's been months, man, it's been months.

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So today's episode we're going to be asking the question is Catholicism a Manly or a masculine religion? I guess I think you know the answer to that, otherwise we wouldn't really be having this podcast. It can't be called Rantic, Rantic, Rantic.

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It wasn't it.

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It's not so now. So Father Dominic came across our. It was either you or me. I forgot what it was. But Andrew Tate, for those of you who don't know, I don't know a ton about him. I know he's a very polarizing figure. I just know. My first exposure to Mr Tate was.

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it was like a.

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YouTube short clip and he basically was saying that men are more loyal when they have options to cheat, but then they come home to the same woman every night, versus a man who doesn't have the same possibilities. I guess. So, he has different views of masculinity than what we're going to be talking about, but he for those of you who do know or don't know he converted to Islam and I think you grew up in like a Christian household. Then you became atheists and then agnostic and then he basically said Islam is the last. I think he said the last religion but I'm on the planet.

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Yeah, he said it's like the last religion on the planet. Was he Catholic or was he non-Nam, I think?

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he might have been raised like casual Catholic, but he was never like a non-Catholic body.

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I know that he was MMA for a while too. Yes, yeah, right, right, that's how I know about him.

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So I'm going to play a clip because we're going to be kind of pulling from and I'm not going to dive into, we're not going to do like argue against what he said, we're just going to kind of take the grain. Come to this. We're religious studies, yeah, Contrasting.

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Catholicism in Islam.

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Exactly that's not what we're here to do, but where I can say we're asking the question is Catholicism a manly religion? I just want to play a clip because it's just some things that he said I think that we can dive into and really dive deeper into this conversation. So here is the clip and I will post this for everyone on.

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It's almost like I knew God was real and now I've become religious. So you were religious before. I was like, religious before. How Christian? What does Christian mean? Like who's not a Christian? You're a Christian nation.

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You're a Christian. Look at the other lines. Look at the average church. Is anyone actually? Fearful of God, and then they turn up the church with their parents' name.

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There's no substance to the religion and also Islam very closely reflects my personal beliefs. Through my personal life I've learned that if you don't have standards and you're not a strong person who's prepared to defend his ideas, you'll be crushed. And we look at most religions in the world today which are not prepared to defend their ideas. What's happening to them? They're just getting crushed. And now we have Christianity as an idea which is basically said well, we can't set any firm rules because everyone's just quit. So instead let's make it so easy to be a Christian that nobody has to put the effort in and then accept everybody, no matter what, and hopefully we can keep the church at war zone. That's not law to me. God to me, is strong. God to me is something to be feared. God to me is something that people are afraid to mock. God to me is someone that you have to go out of your way to prove something to. God to me has red lines. Like God to me represents Islam, like the Christian God to me. I don't see God. I don't see anything there. So to me it was the only logical choice in the end, and this is why perhaps I found God the way I did, because I understood all these things first, and then I saw the Quran and it confirmed so many things for me. Like I've been in the conversations I've had so far, so many things have been confirmed and it's amazing the knowledge that's inside of it which is so applicable today For an old book right, you know, it's supposed to be old but it seems so timeless. But it's truly amazing. But you're totally right. And the baseline morality. I don't think most people understand that when they're doing this under the guise of tolerance, they're saying be so tolerant that you no longer believe they're right from wrong. They're not doing that to make society a better place. They're doing that to empty your brain so that you have no resistance to the slave mind programming. They want to get you to a point where, if they tell you to stop, so that you have to have nothing in your brain that can prevent that, if you have God, if you have no idea, this is right and wrong, if you have personal responsibility, if you have self accountability, if you're a person who sticks out for what you believe, all that's bad to them. They want all of that wrong so they can tell you this guy is green. But some people recognize that I've worked Islam, that there was a time I was in 80s. There was a time when I was 80s and the reason I am now so absolutely certain that God is real is because I've seen evil. I've seen shakha, I've seen it. When you see enough evil, you realize that there must be an equal opposite force. And there are people out there in the world today who even work in the devil, genuine demons, who are trying to destroy the baseline morality that's inside of all of us. We're all born in some kind of morality and they're trying to destroy it. And that's exactly the aesthetic understanding that we believe that your goal is something that will fit on One. Guy Scott from the Fist of Islam Conversion says.

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It's interesting that somebody with everything, all the Western world, everything somebody could want has now converted.

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And I said yeah, because even before my conversion I understood that Hellenism is a black hole and you can never fill it. You're never going to be able to have enough girls to be happy with girls and you're never going to have enough money to be happy with money and you're never going to be able to be able to be able to drink it off, to be happy with drinking like it's a black hole and do the poor endless things down if you'll never fill it up and you need to have some degree of self-restraint. I've always been a very visible person. I've never made mistakes, but certainly, yeah, the higher powers is going to give you more satisfaction in your heart than endless and sanding Never made mistakes.

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Is that what he said? Never.

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I think he said I made plenty of mistakes. Oh, did he I?

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think so. Yeah.

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I hope he's not that ever good.

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I've never made any mistakes in my life.

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I'm a perfect citizen.

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But no, okay. So again, we're not going to break down each argument, but there were some things that stood out to me and I'm going to kind of unpack what I took out of this and follow it on me and jump in or whatever you want to. So I think one mistake that a lot of people make with Christianity as well is that they put up this straw man. So straw man argument is that it's basically a weak form of an argument for religion or for a point. So if I'm arguing for a certain morality or belief or things like that, my opponent might put the weakest form up and then attack that and basically knock it down versus the opposite of St Thomas Aquinas. He would actually steal me in the arguments without me and then he would basically break it down, things like that. So pretty much what he is saying, the Christianity that he basically made the comment like what does it mean to be a Christian? Like anybody can be a Christian, and he made the comment he basically called a lot of Christians hypocrites and basically saying you know, I think he said women go out and drink on Saturday night and get drunk and then they show up to church on Sunday, and so I think that big mistake he is making is that he is generalizing, while here I see these Christians that aren't living out what they're truly called to be, which is imitators of Christ. That's what we're designed, called to be as Christians, as Catholics is to be imitators of Christ right, especially for men being masculine, as we've talked about so many times. Bishop Olm said, into the breach. Jesus Christ is the epitome of model. That is our example. That is what men should strive to become as an imitator of Jesus Christ. And so if, so facto, if Jesus, who founded the Catholic Church, founded Christianity, if he is the epitome of what it means to be a man, then naturally following Catholicism is the most masculine religion out there. Now again, do we fall short? Of course we do. We strive to be perfect, we strive to be like Christ, but of course we fall every single day and I think a mistake that people make is that because we see people constantly falling and failing we assume that they're not, even without trying, hard enough, or maybe they're not disciplined enough, and of course that could be the case in many circumstances. But again, we don't know that person's soul, we don't know their relationship with God, we don't know where they were before and where they are now. We need to ask ourselves is, again, what does it mean to be a man and what is our example of that? Because then we've talked about too on the podcast, the idea of machismo, right, so this false idea of masculinity. And again, I don't want to pick on andretate, but a lot of what I've heard him preach is pursuing women, it's gaining material wealth, and he even actually mentions that. It seems like he's actually realized that that was a mistake.

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Yeah, he knows them.

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Chasing women, getting wealth, getting cars.

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That's right, right, yeah and I. It's that black hole. You can just never. It'll never fill you Unless God is taking that place.

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And I even perhaps for that is that you recognize that it is a long, long right, so that he seemed to be turning that around, but that's what he used to preach.

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And that's the idea of machismo, right? That's that false masculinity, right? The, as Bishop Olmsted said, that James Bond syndrome, right yeah, is that the most ironic thing about James?

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Bond is, he has no bonds, right.

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He has no connections with the outside world. He's actually a lonely person, right, and so getting back full circle then is Okay. So Catholicism is the epitome of masculinity, because Jesus Christ, the founder, is the epitome of what?

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it means to be a man.

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So then, how, again, do we go about fulfilling that right? And I will say for him too, because he mentioned discipline, he felt like Islam matched up a lot with what he believed in his personal life. And again, he was an MMA fighter, like you mentioned. To become, I think, a professional MMA fighter, you have to be very disciplined to get to that level right the training, the eating, nutrition, the sleep, things like that, the countless hours, the pain that you have to go through right, and I will agree with him on that. And again, I don't know how to tell about Islam but they are very disciplined. And so Catholicism, I think if you look back sort of in the past, you know, with the church, fathers and things like that, I would say that it used to be a much more structured, disciplined lifestyle and we have gone away from that. If I'm totally honest with you, you know like fast days have greatly diminished and we've talked about fasting and how important it is to fast. I mean, that's just one example too. But you know, like a whole idea of obligation, you know we just transfer always to Sunday most of the time, things like that you know, and so I will agree with him on that. But just because, again, people might not be, living out their faith properly, or the church as the whole might be failing. Or hey, pope Francis says something that goes against church teaching. Again, just because we have people that are failing within the church does not make the church less masculine, does not make Christ less masculine, does not make it as a whole less masculine. Right, right, yeah.

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I. There's a lot really to unpack in that short segment that he kind of laid out. What really comes to my mind is secularism and cultural Christianity. So what Andrew Tate is talking about is he's making the reality, he's making the statement of the proposition, the point of a cultural Christianity. Right, that is weak, but that's not Christianity Right absolutely. But because so many people have fallen into it, people think that this is the mainstream Christianity. But as soon as someone goes back into church history, you'll begin to see and realize that, wow, Christianity is strong, Christianity is powerful, Christianity is necessary. Christianity pulls out the true masculinity and the true femininity of human beings. So Andrew Tate does say a lot of truths in that little segment that we listen to. He said that Christianity has no substance. Christianity is this idea. In saying that, he's pointing out those things that have degraded Christianity, right, Ever since the Enlightenment or things like that. You go back that had ushered in this cultural type of Christianity where secularism has crept in, modernism has crept in, subjectivism has crept in, relativism has crept in. And then, when you have these human-made ideologies in which I can say come from Satan, you're going to have hedonism, You're going to have emotivism, You're going to have these other isms that are destroying the foundation of what it means to be not only Christian but ultimately destroying what it means to be human being. So in many ways, what Andrew Tate is saying is he's putting a secular, a cultural Christian Christianity that has been made up by human beings, not of God, and he's saying I'm stepping away from this and I agree with him A hundred percent.

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I agree with him. I'm stepping away from that too.

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And I did. But when I did, I fell into Catholicism, the real Christianity. Because, I was wandering as well too. I could see that the culture wasn't feeding me. I could see that hedonism was beginning to destroy me, pull me away, and then the anxiety and the darkness begins to creep in, and the fear and the hopelessness and this void that nothing can fill it. Like he said, drugs, sex, rock and roll nothing can fill that, but only God can. And I looked at Buddhism, I looked at a little bit of Hinduism, I looked at Islam as well too, but the reason why I became Catholic was because of the person, jesus Christ, and because of church history, especially going back to the successors of Jesus as apostles Let me talk about. If you want to see a manly way of life of a religion, look at those early Christians and how they lived their lives. Those ragtag Christians started. Look at the early church fathers, discover early church history. Look at St Ignatius, bishop of Loyola, your boy, my boy. Look at St Clement, look at St Pauliakar, look at the saints, and you're going to tell me that the Christianity is not strong. Cultural Christianity is weak, because that's exactly what St wants. One of the reasons why I know that Catholicism is the red religions is because Satan is always attacking it. So what Andrew Tate is pulling out is saying hey, this is a byproduct of Satan. Sweet, yeah, let's stay away from it, let's go someplace else. So if you see cultural Christianity, you see how weak it is, you see how unfulfilling it is. Who would want that? And so Andrew Tate is like I don't want that, I want something that's strong, I want something that has substance. And he's talking about virtue as well, too. Right, virtue comes from Latin beer, and that's where we get man Masculine, that's where we get that. And so he's talking about the discipline of God in one's life, one that brings order, one that brings strength, one that brings direction, one that brings community together, one that brings men together as well, too, to fight. Because that's what he talked about evil as well, too. That's one of the reasons why I came to believe in God as well. He's like oh yeah, I see evil in the world, like there has to be a whole opposite to this. So it's an interesting clip by him. But it doesn't surprise me, because there's so many people that are not being fed by this cultural Christianity. And if you look at even like you know Orthodox Catholicism or the Byzantine Catholics, and if you look at those Catholics who celebrate the extraordinary form, the original maps of Catholicism. You will find masculinity, you will find manliness, and that's exactly what happened to me, because the way I was raised and I know I've talked about this as well too, and it's not my parents' fault or anything. We were poor kind of growing up and we could only go to a certain church that was down the road. You know, I went because I had to, but I did see my dad and my older brothers, who were manly right, they lead us to church. I said, okay, there has to be something here. But then when I was at church, it was so effeminate it was a major turn off right. All I see is felt banners around and there's just this unpaddle to bowl stomach upsetting music, and all I saw up there were women. There were women lectors, there were women Eucharistic ministers, there were women musicians, and then there was an effeminate priest. And so in my mind, when I saw this, I said, okay, right, this is the Novus Ordo Mass. I said I can't find anything really masculine than this. The only masculinity I find is this is my dad brings us. So there has to be something important about this. But other than that, I'm out of here. Man, see ya. But then when I discovered the Latin Mass in 2014, first year in seminary, it was packed full of everything I was looking for in a religion where you worship God. I felt so close to God in that Mass and I felt so masculine, right, because you see, like the 15 altar boys walk up and then you see, like the three priests, and they're all men and they're serious and it's all militaristic, and it's like they're marching to Calvary where Jesus the epitome of what it means to be a man, right Is dying to save everyone, because that's what men do, right. And they're going to Calvary and they're going to enter into the Mass and I'm watching this happen. This procession at the beginning happened and there's beautiful Gregorian chant echoing through this huge Gothic church, like men built this church, and I'm like this is what I've been looking for. And I was angry because I felt like I was deprived of this, right. I'm like, okay, I've never felt this way before in a form of worship that is so masculine, and the whole rest of the Latin Mass was that way. This is what I'm looking for, this is what I want. Yeah, I'm going to be Catholic and I'll be damned if someone pulls that from my fingers, right, because this is what it means to be a man and it's Catholicism, it's good period, it's Catholicism.

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What was the name of that church you were in?

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That was. I know it was in Detroit. My brother-in-law took me there. It's kind of like South Detroit. It's something grotto right.

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You were in the seminary or you were about to enter the seminary.

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It was my first year of seminary. So the reason why that I became a priest was to fight evil right, to fight immorality, to fight hedonism, to bring back authentic masculinity and femininity. The best of my ability is, you know, with Jesus obviously working through me, right? So I agree with Andrew, and there's a lot of men out there who would too. I'm not going to go to a cultural, I'm not going to be a cultural Christian. No, what a waste of time. Because that's weak, that is feminine. It's a feminine Because cultural Christianity will castrate men. They'll become effeminate. That's exactly what it does. Authentic Catholicism bolsters your masculinity and helps you with that life of a man, one of sacrifice, one of compassion. That's why Jesus Christ is the epitome to be a man. And that's why Bishop Olmsted said in his exhortation into the Breachers, which is an exhortation for men, and men only, where he said Jesus Christ is the epitome of what it means to be a man. Why? Because he laid down his life in a sacrificial way, with a love that's, in Greek, agape, sacrifice, right. What does sacrifice mean? It's two Latin words Ciceti and Fajeti. Consecrate, fajeti means to make. So Jesus sacrificed himself to make something holy, but along with that he suffers in compassion, two words in Latin, kumpatio means to suffer with someone. So when you take sacrifice as to make holy, you take compassion, which means to suffer with you. Bring them together, you get the Greek agape, which is a sacrificial love, and then Jesus says to men he says this is what you're supposed to do and this is how you're supposed to fight and this is how you're going to be fulfilled as a man and you'll like this because this will be your adventure. Why? Because you're going to build virtue, you're going to get in a fight against hedonism. So I absolutely 100% disagree with Andrew Tate thinking that Islam is the last religion on the planet, meaning that it's the fulfillment of what it means to be a man. I disagree with that. It's Catholicism. It hands down and, like I said it, you know, even if you kill me, you'd never make me say otherwise. And I, of course, being a priest, I'm married to the bride of Christ. So good luck trying to take that from me.

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So I mean it goes back to what Fulton Sheen says, the Vanderbilt Hulensheim. He says now one person has left the true Catholic Church, but now millions of people have left what they perceive or believe.

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It's a perceive, it is exactly.

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It's what is, because the thing he mentioned too, was you know like anyone can be a Christian, you know like it doesn't mean anything below. Okay, so God, god is always calling us, no matter how far away we are. He's always bringing us back.

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It's the existential aches on our heart. Exactly, we are existential aches.

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He's always calling, he's yearning for us. I mean, just think the Creator of the universe is yearning for your heart. The Creator is calling the creatures Always. And so he became man for us. Okay, that also is not lost on us. He became man. I think he became man for a reason right, and then he founded the Catholic Church. So, again, this logical step. So anyone can be a Christian. Yes, because God is calling you, and I think he's mistaking that for weakness, because, again, I think he is. Imagine again, the cultural Christianity, right, the idea of grace you know, that. Jesus gives grace. But again, if you just look in the script, he says go and sit no more. He called them to repentance, or what you know. One says repent and believe in the gospel. That meant knowing right, that total life transformation, that giving of that life to Christ. So it's not just oh yeah, go sit no more. And you know, if you mess up, if you don't really care, that's fine, I'll come back to me, like his grace is always there. But I think people mistake Christ's grace for weakness, but it's his love for us. And again, love is another thing that people can't perceive as a weakness, right, but it's the strongest thing you can ever do. Because what is love right, we talk about this many times is to will the good of the other as other. Me as a father me as a husband to love my wife and my children is to die to myself every single day.

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Let's put them first and that's the manliest thing To spill your blood for them. That's the manliest thing I could ever do. Jesus Christ asks us to do that. You know, especially a priest right. I am married to the bride of Christ and I'm called to lay down my life for her right. I mean, even if you read Ephesians 5, it says husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church, because Christ laid down his life for the church. Therefore, husbands, lay down your lives for your wife. Every single man has that inside them. They may have to dig deep to find it, but every single man has that desire to be that knight that knows how to use his weapons. He can kill with his weapons and he goes after evil specifically with that trained mindset and the use of those weapons. But he goes out to slay those dragons so that he can help protect and preserve and save that which is good, true and beautiful. Every single man has that in the grain in them. And if you have a society where the divorce rate is skyrocketing, if you have a society where boys are raised with no fathers, where boys have no alpha male to guide them, to show them what is right, to show them how to build virtue. If you have a society where there is no right of passage provided for boys to enter into manhood, you're going to end up having absolute, utter chaos. Welcome to America. We have so many man boys out there. Peter Pan syndrome Right.

Speaker 1: 31:30

I mean so okay. So another thing okay. So you talked about the discipline aspect and the discipline. In fact, you can make, no, your daily spiritual practice, as difficult as you want it to be. Let's start with that Right. The church does not require us to go to these above and beyond extremes because it knows that not everyone can fulfill that. Right and again, I think he perceives that as a weakness. But the church, I think, perceives that as prudent Right, Because I just found this random article and during this was the Lenten practices during the medieval ages Right. So Ash Wednesday and Good Friday were black fast. That means it consisted of taking only one meal per day of bread, water and herbs after sunset. Other days of Lent, no food until 3 pm, which is the hour Lord Steath. Water was allowed and was, as the case for the time, due to Santa Eichner's Watered-down beer and wine. After the event of tea and coffee, these beverages were permitted but there's no animal meats or fats, no eggs, no dairy products. Sundays were days of less. The church will discipline, but the fast rules above remain Okay again. So you can easily do that. You can practice Well, if you want to call it that Right, you can make yourself have these physical, spiritual disciplines. If you want, you can pray the divine office every single day as a lay person, which is what you know about it.

Speaker 3: 33:03

You can encourage us, you can also call the Holiness right. Yeah, in particular, to your state of life.

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Yeah, in particular. Yeah, so you can, you can practice it. Now you're not, you're not required to do that. You know like I pray the rosary every day. It's not a requirement to be Catholic, should you? I think, yes, you absolutely should.

Speaker 3: 33:20

It's the greatest one.

Speaker 1: 33:22

Right. So you have these practices, these disciplines that you can incorporate into your day-to-day life. But again, I think the church perceives, knows human nature and say, hey look, if we do, if you, we make you do, X, Y and Z, 35 different things every single day, no one will be Catholic Right Because they know human nature. Okay, you can argue like, okay, then that weakens the faith. You can argue that, I guess. But again it's, it's been practical for again, the universal call to becoming a Christian Right. And so again, I would say too there have been some, some negative aspects of maybe they've shifted too much to the fact where there's too less discipline, too less fasting, too less call to say certain prayers every day. I think you can easily make that argument.

Speaker 3: 34:11

I would probably agree with you on that front.

Speaker 1: 34:13

For sure, yeah, but again the church doesn't say you can't do this very strict Lenten facts either that they used to do back in the medieval ages.

Speaker 2: 34:24

And that's what I think the downfall of Vatican II was in the 60s that brought forth, in a very tidal wave approach of secularism, modernism, subjectivism, relativism. All these isms brought forth this weakness, this door for weakness, because they began to get rid of all those disciplines. And so here we are right 70 years later. Of course, of course we're going to see weak Christian unity because of that, and I think a lot of it is ignorance. People don't know, and I've seen a movement even in the seminary, with guys who are studying to be priests, even the newly ordained priests. You know, they're bringing this stuff back. That's what I'm doing. I'm bringing this stuff back to the best of my ability, everything that the church has taught for 2,000 years, and that's what I love about the Latin mass and that's a little about the history. My goodness, look at the saints. It's like if you want to be good at a sport, look at the All-Stars. If you want to be good at Catholicism, fighting right, look at the saints. Look at the All-Stars, look how they walked it and you're gonna tell me those people are weak. Yeah, I will laugh in your face. You tell me those people are weak. Oh man, St Lawrence, you're gonna tell him that he's weak. St Bartholomew, right? I mean Christians have been boiled, filleted, chopped, fed wild animals. I mean tortured in ways we can't even imagine that they never gave up the faith, the saints as well. And the reason why I didn't accept Islam when I was searching was because of Jesus Christ, because he rose from the dead. And the discussion Did Gandhi know? Did Buddha know? Did Confucius know? Did Muhammad know? Jesus the Christ did? He rose from the dead and I don't know about you, but can you, out of your own power, defeat death?

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I don't believe so.

Speaker 2: 36:20

No, so I'm gonna attach my life to Jesus Christ, and when I did, I could see this, a feminacy that had been attached to me, not a feminine, but a feminacy. Right, feminacy is a man who a boy, I guess you could say that never grew into a man who forgoes the building of virtue and discipline and doing things that are difficult. He forgoes that in the pursuit of pleasure and pleasure. He never grows up, he never becomes disciplined, he never becomes virtuous. Right, that's a feminacy. That's kind of how St Thomas Aquinas defines it. So when I fully embraced Catholicism, I realized, right, okay, there's some things here that attached to me that are keeping me from being fully man. Let's work on it. And I did, and the saints helped me walk along that path. Right, and look at Catholicism throughout history. Right, I mean, we talked about the Latin Mass, right? The original Mass of the Catholic Church goes back to the time of Peter and Paul and Rome, and that's way before Islam. So how can Islam be the only religion on the planet when it wasn't the one that would even started first? It was through Judaism and into Christianity, right? So St Thomas Aquinas is going to attack Christianity. That's his number one target. He's going to send everything into Christianity. He wants to destroy the church, he wants to destroy the Holy Trinity, he wants to destroy that. So he's putting all his energy into that. Oh, 100%. And another reason why I'm Catholic as well too is because, again, when you look at history and you look at all the attempts of Satan trying to destroy the church through people, through cultures, through governments and they never succeed, even when there's thousands and thousands of martyrs the church becomes stronger. And I'm like, okay, find the evil, find where the evil is attacking the most and be part of that. It's simple. It's simple, you know. So it's not weak, it's full of strength, it's full of beauty, it's full of goodness. And look at what the Catholic Church has done for the world. You like healthcare? Thank the Catholic Church. You like universal public education that's free Thank the Catholic Church.

Speaker 1: 38:26

The thing most people disagree with right now, yeah well.

Speaker 2: 38:30

But, if you look. I know, I know and you can see where all these foundations were like society and in governance and everything that we need Hospitals, hospitals, and look, you know, thank the monastics for doing this and bringing it into the public sphere for people to embrace in this way in which our societies and cultures get to enjoy it's Catholicism period. Now, of course, we can also argue. You know there's a time that you know, during the Middle Ages right, that we were struggling, for sure, and then Islam had this golden age right where they brought in the priestocratics, right where they preserve Aristotle and things like that, and then, through Averwes and some other Islamic philosophers, you know, they brought it back up through Spain and back into Europe again and helped us flourish in Christianity again by bringing here and at St Thomas' point, you know he'll reference some of those. There's a connection, right. That's history. We haven't flown that direction.

Speaker 1: 39:32

But I keep coming back to Jesus, which we always do, the things that he did, his radical nature things he did, things he said, it's we often, especially if you were born and raised Christian or Catholic. We neglect to see the power of his words. Jesus walked on water.

Speaker 2: 39:59

Jesus rose from the dead. He defied the laws of physics and only God can do that.

Speaker 1: 40:04

He raised people from the dead. Only God can do that. He exercised demons. Only God can do that. Jesus was God man. He healed people by just sometimes he didn't even have to do anything, they just touched him.

Speaker 2: 40:22

He just said the words and then the people left, went back to their house and the person was healed.

Speaker 1: 40:26

He didn't have to be there, he didn't have to be in the same presence.

Speaker 2: 40:29

Then, when he rose from the dead, he could be at places. He could be at 500 places all at once. He walked through walls. He defied the laws of physics and he's not subject to corruptibility.

Speaker 1: 40:38

Yeah, I just again. It keeps coming back to who is Jesus and who do you say Jesus is Like the great question that he has, peter, you know, you're in Peter's funny way with Christ, the Son of the Living God, right, is that who we really believe that he is? And if you believe that who he is, you're called to be a Christian. To be a Christian, you're called to imitate Christ. Yeah, yeah, you're called to make a choice. Yes, right, exactly. And what choice are you going to make Exactly?

Speaker 2: 41:10

Right, that's what this choice is. Jesus makes that choice very clear. Right, we're still in an evangelistic and apologetic age, especially in the culture of America. We are a post-apostolic age. When St Paul was bringing the gospel to the Gentiles and pagan territory, they had never heard of what he brought before. And they were very interested Not all of them, right, but they never heard of Jesus, they never heard of the gospel. They never saw the churches, they never saw the sacraments, they never saw the witness of Christian love. Now 2,000 years later, everybody's quote unquote, heard God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the Holy Trinity, christianity right. And so it's been rejected because it's been watered down and Satan has infiltrated and created this culture of Christianity that andretains the vassals. The vassals, I agree with them. But but there's always that right? There's always. But we have to dig deep and we have to find the authentic Catholicism. There's millions of people living it, millions of people living it. The preserving of Catholicism from its roots, from Peter to Paul, even today, it's flourishing. It's flourishing.

Speaker 1: 42:31

I'm excited to be a Catholic.

Speaker 2: 42:33

During this post-apostolic age where everybody knows about God and now what makes it different than St Paul is that people are rejecting God, or that false ideology created by humans, idea rejected but that you talked about and that andretains a smashing. So what we're doing now is in Catholicism is that there's things that need to be dismantled false truths, some modernism and all that whole of those isms and then we need to to to bring the one true, right Religion back to the fold. And I don't know what that's going to look like, how it's going to happen or when it's going to happen, but I think it's going to happen when we hit rock bottom and there's nowhere else left to go Absolutely Right. But so we are living in a post-apostolic age, meaning that it's different than Paul because they didn't know Jesus. Now we know Jesus and no quote and they're rejecting him. So what we're doing as Catholics is one we're digging our heels into the sand and we're saying no more, you will not push us anymore on this genus dysphoria of BS, on this critical race theory crap, and on just trying to destroy marriage and trying to destroy what it means to be male and female, created by the image and likeness of God. So what Catholics need to do? Because Catholics have always been on the front lines of everything. We are the tip of the spear, we're the first part to go into the evil drag right, so we need to do it now. So if Catholicism isn't strong, I don't know what is right. I don't know what is, because we need to look at history. We are the only ones who would always dig our heels into sand and say no more, right, we have martyrs after martyrs after martyrs, but then we would change the culture of society. Catholicism changed cultures in society. Everything in culture does not change Catholicism, but that's what it's trying to do now. But there's coming a time where we're going to push back. But being in the apostolic age means that we, as Catholics, we need to fight and we have all the tools and weapons that we need to fight with gifts and the fruits of the Holy Spirit, with the sacraments of the Holy Catholic Church, with the Eucharist, with confession, with confirmation. All these things we need. God has provided us with all the tools and necessary needs that we need, equipped to go into battle, into fight dragons, into say to the secular culture you're not going to push us around anymore because we're stopping here. Remember Matthew, chapter 16, verses 18, and following where Jesus says to Peter you know who am I. He says you are the Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus says to him yield this to you, but my Father in heaven, I tell you you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church. The gates of hell shall not prevail against you. I should give you the keys to the kingdom. Whatever you bind under should be bound with heaven. Whatever you lose down there shall be loose in heaven, right. The gates of hell shall not prevail against the church. What does that mean? That means Satanist stationary behind his closed doors, his gates of his kingdom. And we Catholics, we're attacking, right, we are attacking. We're not sitting on our lazy butts on the sidelines. We're out there, we're in the game, we're in the war and we're attacking and we're fighting. And that's exactly what men need to do. And that's what Andrew Tate is looking for. And he didn't find it in the cultural Christianity. But he didn't dig far enough, because if he did, he would have found the Latin Mass, he would have found authentic Catholicism, he would have found the great saints, right, who epitomized masculinity because they followed Jesus Christ, who is the man. He never found Jesus. When he finds Jesus, his masculinity is truly going to come forward and he'll know. He'll know. But like he said, oh, I need a lot to learn. And in the clip that we just showed, he said I need a lot to learn, I'm on a journey. I'm on a journey, I'm learning. I'm learning and so is I. So are you Right? You were Protestant. You came into the Catholic Church. I was, I was pagan and I came into the Catholic Church. And here we are with a podcast called the man the Catholic. And so this is what we're doing. We're digging our heels in the sand and saying no more, you can kill me, but I'm not going to deny Jesus, because he's the epitome of what it means to me. You can fillet me, you can crucify me, you can feed me to wild beasts. I pray to God that he gives me the strength in that moment to not buckle. Right? I can say that now, but if I'm in the moment, who knows? Right? But St Paul says don't worry If you're brought before princes and kings and governors, he says, and you're being persecuted, right? This is the context in which he's saying this. He says don't worry, the Holy Spirit will speak for you. You know, being a man isn't isn't like grabbing it and owning it and saying, get out of my way, Like I'm going to knock you down. No, being a man means like going back to Jesus and going back to sacrifice and compassion and saying, no, but in love, right, I'm going to fight. So we have to relearn what that looks like and what that means. And it's not the James Bond type, it's not the hedonistic Jesus, I'm old type. It's none of that. It's you as a father with your wife and your four kids grinding it out in a culture where a saint wants to get your family and you, you have to be that atom who doesn't just disappear and the snake comes in the garden. You have to stand in the front of that door and say over my dead body, satan, are you going to get to my wife and kids? All right, let's throw it down. And I'm going to put up a hell of a fight and if you terminate me, jesus is going to raise me from the dead. You can't win, satan, because I have Jesus. I said you can't win, right, and so what I have to do as a priest is the same thing, as you have to do. But in my church, with the thousands of people that I have been given charge over as a shepherd, I have to say the same thing. At my church, the stand at the front door and say Satan, you're not coming into my church or my school and getting my kids, you're not bringing in the critical race theory, you're not bringing in that gender reassignment junk, you're not bringing any of this stuff. The buck stops here. And through the power of Jesus Christ, I will be a man and I will fight you, and I'm going to do it with fasting, I'm going to do it with prayer, I'm going to do it with reading scripture, I'm going to do it with staying in the state of grace and receiving the Eucharist, and I'm going to stand up for the truth. Compel or high water Dude, sign me up for that army. And that's what we're doing here, some of the Catholics. That's what we want to do. We want to keep building this army through the power of Christ, because there's nothing else. There's nothing else because this is the one true religion, catholicism is the only true religion on the planet. Hands down period, and our job is to convert the whole entire world to Catholicism and, unfortunately, because men aren't standing up and fighting to build virtue and discipline and to control their passions and to order their emotions with their intellect properly guided by the mind of Christ, which is the Holy Spirit illuminating the intellect. The Saint Paul says put on the mind of Christ or not conforming yourselves to this world. The Saint Paul says in Romans, chapter 12, don't conform yourselves to this age, but always be transformed by the renewal of your mind so that you may discern what is good, pleasing and in the eyes of God. We don't have men who are doing that. If Andrew Tate could discover the beauty and the deep richness of masculine Catholicism and its true history and its true beauty and fullness, not this cultural Christianity crap, he wouldn't be Islam. He wouldn't be a Muslim, he would be a Catholic. I would love to see him on the Catholic side, yeah.

Speaker 1: 50:54

No, because why he is? Because he has the intensity.

Speaker 2: 50:57

Right, and he has that desire, you know.

Speaker 1: 51:00

I mean, what he's looking for is in the Catholic Church. He's just not there yet. Whatever man is looking for is in the Catholic Church.

Speaker 3: 51:05

Whatever human being is looking for in the Catholic Church.

Speaker 2: 51:07

You know what it is. It's the Eucharist. The Bible is the only divinity of Jesus Christ. That's what it is. Baptism is a primordial sacrament, it's the most beautiful sacrament, baptism, because it opens the doors to the rest of the sacraments, but the Eucharist is it? So there's a lot of things we have to do. Jesus Catholics destroy cultural Christianity for sure by showing by men, christian men, showing by example, with actions and deeds and prayer, in providing for their boys a right of passage and helping their boys become men, and in showing their boys to lead with goodness, truth and beauty and with strength and courage and bravery. And yeah.

Speaker 1: 51:58

Well, you said this a couple of times. You referenced Matthew 16 and 18 upon the charcoal, build my church on the gates of Hell and I'll put it up against it. And I had never heard this before. I was listening to a podcast, I think it was Jason Never. But you're saying, because you mentioned the Catholic Church at the tip of the spear, that's a weapon, the spear is a weapon.

Speaker 2: 52:21

It's a weapon to kill. It's a weapon to kill is necessary. So the gates of Hell. What is a?

Speaker 1: 52:26

gate. A gate is a defensive structure. Sure, it keeps people out, so the church is always pushing against the gates of Hell. The gates of Hell will not prevail against it. The spear is going to knock the gate down. It's how many men are going to be tipping that spear, though. That's really what it comes down to.

Speaker 2: 52:51

Yes.

Speaker 1: 52:53

Because look at the culture. What is the culture doing? It is pushing against us. Catholics are on the defensive right now. That's not going to be forever.

Speaker 2: 53:03

That's what I just said, like 10 minutes ago too. It's like okay, now we have to say enough is enough.

Speaker 3: 53:08

Draw the line, Take our heels in the sand man we need to push back Now.

Speaker 1: 53:14

Because we will prevail. That's the thing. When will we wake up?

Speaker 2: 53:19

The battle will be realized then. So the wars won, but there's still a lot of battles. Yes, because the souls are still being lost. Jesus defeated Satan's kingdom through the resurrection and descent into Hell, defeating his kingdom. But as we live inside space and time, as we journey his program people from earth to have an eternity there's battles that need to be fought and we do it with Jesus. We need to provide those tools in the Catholic Church fully to get it done. But, yes, people are going, souls are being lost, even though the wars won. But battles are being lost and you're exactly right. You're right. The culture of pushing against us, that's the gates of hell, because Satan is amassing a large army. There's a lot of people falling into his camp. It's like that movie, nefarious we're Nefarious, said. He says you have no, I only seen it once, but I remember Nefarious saying to Dr James Martin which is kind of funny in itself, that name, naming him but he says you wouldn't believe the number of souls that Satan is acquiring in his kingdom. Right, I'm so excited to be Catholic. I love it. Every day I get to wake up and I get to put my combat boots on. I love that and I grab my M16 and I go to war. I love it, man, but you do it with power of the Holy Spirit. You do it with that love. You do it with that sessere and fissere cumpatio, right, to make holy through suffering with someone and with people, and give and give, give of yourself. That's part of love too. It's not selfishness, and Augustine talked about the sin of selfishness. It's kavatu-sensei, right. It means caved in on oneself. It's like you get the word for scoliosis of the spine. And when you're caved in on yourself, kavatu-sensei, from sin and selfishness the only thing you can see is yourself. That's boring, like why would you want to live this life for yourself? There's no fulfillment in that and it's just so boring and empty and there's no excitement, right. So stop being caved in on oneself, right? And so the love that you talked about is willing to go to the other. Say I'm not saying maybe, who knows, I'm not going to be careful with that Bishop Bearin talks about. He goes further and he says then do something about it, then do something about it. So, kavatu-sensei, is releasing yourself. The whole goal of moving yourself out of kavatu-sensei is straining yourself up so you no longer look at yourself, but you can see the horizon, you can see the stars, you can see the sky, you can see that there's a supernatural entity out there that you're grasping for because you're no longer focused on yourself, right, you're moving out of boyhood, boyishness and boyhood into manhood, and that's when you begin to look at the other and you lean on your life for that person, right? So it's that love you're talking about, and so when you do that, you give, and that's the secret to happiness. When I became Catholic, I answered all my questions. Do answering that not necessarily like answering all my questions of the mystery, great mysteries, of the doctrines and dogmas of the church, of the ascension, the resurrection and the trinity of the Eucharist and all these great mysteries? Right, I didn't answer that in some empirical way, like I had this understanding and I can lay it out in some theological exit, jesus, like I'm some smart PhD, right? No, but it was like all my questions were answered because I had entered into the mystery of all mysteries. There's nothing else left. Catholicism is the fullness of life. It's the fullness of what it means to be a human being, you know. And so, when I became Catholic, all my questions were answered, all my questions. There's no more journey left to discover the truth Now. There's a journey from this life to the next, as a pilgrim, as a priest or as a father. There's still a journey that needs to be had there, and there's always be self-discovery continuously, because that's a spiritual mountain we climb right. We're always to know thyself, we're always learning right, always diving deeper into a relationship with Christ. It's just not, oh, I know Jesus, he saved me, alright, and then you're good to go and you can do whatever the heck you want in life. No, it's a spiritual journey. It's a crucible of climbing the mountain. It's like a Brazilian jujitsu. It's you get pounded If you put forth the effort. It's like every training session, every sparring session If you go at it, you get pounded and you walk out of there thinking I learned a lot today. Sometimes I pound someone when we sparse. A lot of times I tap out, I get pounded, you know. But I learned something and that's part of that spiritual growth as well, too. Right, it's opening yourself up to Christ in that way and let him be that coach and form you as well. You've gone through hard times. I know I've gone through Today. Today, your son didn't want to put his jams on man and you were about crying. You were going through a hard time. No, but I mean just going back to the topic of this podcast, you know is Catholicism. You know, the religion is just Catholicism, manly. I mean, the only thing that I can say is what Andrew takes, that is, it's the only religion on the planet that every single human being needs to be part of. And I'm not saying that like it's Detroit. You know, the Detroit Lions, my favorite football team, is better than any football team because I'm a diehard Detroit line. Go Detroit Lions. It's not that you know, it's not like. I just pick Catholicism because it's a religion among religions and you can just pick it. It's your favorite sports team or something. No, catholicism is reality. Catholicism gives you a full definition of meaning and fulfilling of what it means to be human. And then Andrew Tate talked about that black hole of hedonism that's just voraciously hungry and you can't fill it. Well, you fill. You take Catholicism and you put it in that hole. It plugs it forever. I mean, that's it. That's the hole that's filled. It's filled with Catholicism and everything's going to be satisfied and answered. But buckle up, because it's going to be a riot too.

Speaker 1: 59:42

Well, I think too, a big distinction, a good one, is. You know, he mentioned the fear of God. There's no fear of God in Christianity. He mentioned that, the cultural Christianity. There is no fear of God because his contrast is the God of the Old Testament, where it's all about justice, right, and people see Jesus. You know they make him into like this hippie Jesus where it's all a lot of WWE.

Speaker 2: 1:00:11

He's looking for the strong God.

Speaker 1: 1:00:13

Yes, yes, and that is exactly what Jesus is. But this cultural Christianity has broken Jesus down into I'll just love everybody, but people don't understand what love is.

Speaker 2: 1:00:24

Oh yeah, I mean you look at some of these like modern I don't know, like 70s, 80s and 90s pictures of Jesus. He's got these feminine features like you just had a. What are they?

Speaker 3: 1:00:35

called the nails then, yeah, what is that called Manicure? Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:00:39

Like he just had a manicure and then his hair is so perfect, like the Pantene Pro V commercial. Do you think men are going to want to follow that? That's not Jesus, right? You want to see Jesus watch? Watch Mel Gibson's passion. Oh gosh, that's Jesus. Jesus was a devout Jew and he worked. Oh, he was a carpenter. What you think he just whittled with toothpicks in the back of his house. No, he was a construction worker, and the Greek gets tecton we lose it in the English. The closest thing we can come to is carpenter. He was more than that. He was a tecton. He was a construction worker. He built bridges, he built roads, he built synagogues, he built things for the Roman Empire, he built things for the Jewish people. He built houses. He built all kinds of things. He knew everything about being a mason. Maybe they had, I don't know if they had blacksmithing back then, but whatever, you know what I mean. He knew trades. Right, he knew the trades. He knew how to bring his hand. I'd like to say Joseph or Jesus' hand is like that's a manly hand right there. That's a manly handshake. That's like you crush your rocks all day with your hands. That's Jesus. He wasn't with a little Swiss Army, little Jack whittling the toothpick.

Speaker 3: 1:01:47

Oh.

Speaker 2: 1:01:47

I've got a sliver of Mary. Mommy, come and help me. No, now he was a man, joseph and him. They traveled. I've been to the Holy Land a couple of times and you look to see where they traveled. They were at job sites, right? They're like maybe seven, eight miles, 10 miles from home, maybe further than that, but they stayed on the job site. Maybe they went home, if they could, back to Nazareth with Mary for like a weekend, but for the whole week they're at the job site with the other men. So don't tell me that Jesus was some effeminate pacifist you give me.

Speaker 1: 1:02:24

No, I hate that.

Speaker 2: 1:02:27

It's ridiculous and that's cultural Christianity. Yeah, it's a lot, that's what annotates going after. It's a lot and I would support his cause. Oh, 100%, because that is not Christianity, not Jesus. Well, if you just think about, too, what you know.

Speaker 1: 1:02:41

we're called to the life of virtue. Right, Because it requires what he talks about discipline, hard work, yes. Stay away from vice. Stay away from vice, yeah, because we have concubus sense right.

Speaker 2: 1:02:55

We have this Tendencies to Sentences to sin Right.

Speaker 1: 1:02:58

And so, if you Again, we keep coming back to Jesus, what is Jesus calling us to do? To give our life up to him and allowing him to totally transform us, and that scares the crap out of us.

Speaker 2: 1:03:11

Iron sharpens iron. Right, because we're playing in the potter's hands. Right.

Speaker 1: 1:03:16

Because we don't have control. And that's what scares us. We don't have control right. If we give our life to Jesus, what is he going to call me to do? We hate that, and so we refuse to give our life fully over to him because we want to have control. But the most ironic thing about it is when you give him your entire life. That is when you're the most free. That is when you're going to live out your best life, so to speak, to become the best version of yourself, to fulfill your vocation. That's when you're going to be the happiest. Yes, what are we really searching for? We're searching for joy, for happiness, right, and we search for it again. What Andrew Tate described with the heathenism right, it's just a black hole we keep filling up with junk. This God-sized hole is just going to keep emptying out until we fill it with the one person, the one relationship that's going to fill it, and we don't want to do that.

Speaker 2: 1:04:08

Because Jesus brings us to God. Jesus is God, right. He's the second person of Holy Trinity. Three divine persons, one God we're not polytheists, we're not atheists, right, but Trinity, that's a whole different. We should do it, pa. Have we done it, pa?

Speaker 1: 1:04:22

No, we haven't.

Speaker 2: 1:04:24

I love talking about the Holy Trinity.

Speaker 1: 1:04:27

Yes, man, man, that's difficult. I don't know how you're going to do it.

Speaker 2: 1:04:32

I think if we do talk about the Trinity, I mean we're going to have to focus on the sacraments, Because I've been praying about the Trinity more and having it coming up Trinity Sunday, I realized how powerful the sacraments are in the triunity of love and sacrifice and compassion. I think we'd be digressed, but a future podcast For sure. Yeah, yeah Woo.

Speaker 1: 1:05:01

Is Catholicism mainly religion? It's the only religion on the planet. So yeah, it has to be. Do you have a challenge?

Speaker 2: 1:05:11

for the man. I have a challenge Be a man, be a man, man up, be a man. What was that in Bashar? Head up against the wall. Please don't do that. Yeah, don't do that. Father John told me to. It was the manly Catholic challenge. You know, I really want the guys to. It's like when you talk about the challenge I always just think about virtue. I don't know, I wanted to find Maybe we can throw something at the bottom of the show notes. I don't know, I wanted to find something short but deep on virtue. I don't know, is that too much of a challenge? Short but deep, it's not on virtue. I mean hey, this is vice, this is virtue.

Speaker 1: 1:05:53

Oh, just like a little bit Dr.

Speaker 2: 1:05:54

Peter. Crease has a really good book, the Virtue Driven Life. Or just go out and maybe listen to a couple of podcasts on George Peterson. Every single one of his, every time he opens his mouth, it's all about, you know, building that virtue, I think, and that's why I find him so influential with power. Don't you learn that? Yeah, yeah, back to virtue. Wait, wait, let me see. Yeah, yeah, that's it. I mean, that's good. What book was that on? Yeah, I want the guys to buy that book. Yes, peter Crease, dr Peter Crease. No, who was the publisher? You know, I just kind of maybe just wrapping this all up with a bowtail, what was it called? I'm tired. You wrap it up with a.

Speaker 1: 1:06:36

A ribbon. Yeah, you say that to wrap things up with a Well for both times With.

Speaker 2: 1:06:45

Anyway, I think a good ending to this podcast would I mean going back.

Speaker 1: 1:06:53

Wrap it up in a bow.

Speaker 2: 1:06:55

Yeah, thank you. That's what it is. To wrap this up in a bow, the Catholicism is by far the most strongest. It's not weak at all and our traditions show that and history shows that. I mean there's many modern things that are happening now. I mean there's a lot of men who are coming together and doing similar things that we're doing in Exodus 90, one of those, and that's the sure proof of how strong Christianity can be lived authentically with men. And so, yeah, look into Exodus 92 and what they do, and then you'll find that, hey, there's some masculine stuff here, like talk about finding vice and destroying it and then building virtue, but not only that, but building fraternity and building community and building spirituality and prayer and then unpacking that masculinity through the disciplines that Exodus 90, right, okay, that provides for you. So, and there's a variety of other resources you can find on the website too. Other things you can do, but beginning a group of guys together and going through Exodus 90 experience.

Speaker 1: 1:07:58

One of my friends asked me if we were going to Exodus 90 soon. Nice to have him.

Speaker 2: 1:08:03

I was shocked by what I was doing. Yeah, the last time I did it was when I was going through many coded spells and it was the roughest Exodus 90 I've ever done. I remember that you were struggling. I don't remember. I really don't remember the first year of my past. Well, my assignment at OLC. I got hit hard. Yeah, that's my A little bit of my fault, for sure, but Satan was there trying to tempt me and weaken me and push me to quit. But I definitely persevered. I don't know, it made me stronger. It made me smarter. I definitely showed who I was helped know myself in many ways. But damn man, I don't know. I don't ever want to do that again, but if it does, it does happen. I'm stronger for it.

Speaker 1: 1:08:53

You're better on the terror. I'm stronger for it. Yep, you're better now, which is important, it's always learned.

Speaker 2: 1:08:59

Yeah, I would like to do it next at this 90 at some point. No-transcript. I just gotta find a maybe one more year at the well seen. I think I'll be more ready for it. There's still a lot of things I have to learn as a pastor there.

Speaker 1: 1:09:16

Yeah, I think I would like to do it soon, now that our twins are now six months old. They're so big, your goddaughters as you did not know, Father Dom is the godfather for our twins.

Speaker 2: 1:09:34

Yeah, I pray for them all the time, man, and then I baptized. That was powerful man, the extraordinary forms of commandments. You don't mess around with All the exorcism prayers. Hey, if you want to see the power and the strength of Catholicism, ask your priests to do minor exorcism prayers for you. Holy cow Over you. Yeah, I mean, there's minor exorcism prayers for, like, there's just like a prayer of protection, there's a Berlinol prayer. There's these prayers that the priests can pray. Some of them are done in Latin, which is a language Satan hates, because it's the language, the language of the church. So that's why, in exorcisms, yeah, if you want to know the power of Catholicism, look at it. And you have to take talk about evil, look at, read about exorcists and their stories and their experiences. I mean, I've never experienced a full on possession from someone, but I had definitely encountered, with 100% certitude, many people who are oppressed. So if you want to see a strength of Catholicism, the power and the manliness of Jesus working through his prayers and the sacraments, through priests, holy cow man, talk about driving out demons. So I love praying minor exorcism prayers, right? So, because they have exorcism prayers in them, right, like the old right that the extraordinary from your little Patrick was baptized in. There are a lot of exorcism prayers that are talking about expelling the demons and seeing being cast away, and exorcists all placed on the tongue and the priests blowing the holy trinity of the sign of the cross on the child's face, saying saying can you leave them? One thing I like about the old right and I don't know where this tradition came from and it's not in the right, but I've done it a couple of times and I think it's just super cool. There is a tradition that had been mentioned at the beginning of the extraordinary reform baptism right when everybody's outside the church and the priest is inside and the church is a holy sanctuary, it's the house of God. So they knock on the door and the priest opens the door and he says what are you looking for? What do you want? And they say faith and baptism. So there's questions and then the priest invites them into the narthex of the church, but not totally the doors before the doors closed and everybody comes in. The priest walks out and sticks his head out and he spits who is he spitting on? He's spitting on Satan. You don't mess with priests man. And then throughout, and then it's just like this, like this, the crescendo of awesomeness in the baptismal right because there's so many powerful exorcisms and prayers and it's so much more powerful than our Novus Ordo baptism. The Novus Ordo baptism is valid, to be sure, and there's some exorcisms and prayers, but if you can, you know, have your child baptized in the extraordinary form, the baptismal right of Catholic church and the old form there and oh, wow, you didn't spit. Well, we were at St Robert's, I mean, but I did at Sacred Heart. Oh, you did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, they all walked in and I spat and they're like what did you do? And I said don't worry, man, but I was so satisfying, it was so satisfying to do that. It's been on state man Easy.

Speaker 1: 1:12:53

He's not a lot, but because that child's going to become a child of Jesus the Christ.

Speaker 2: 1:12:58

The one true God, the only true God, the God who raised himself from the dead, because he's God and there's no other, there's no other God to worship than Jesus.

Speaker 1: 1:13:07

Amen, brother, amen.

Speaker 2: 1:13:10

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Speaker 3: 1:13:13

Look at these things, man these are solid.

Speaker 2: 1:13:16

I tell you, we're moving up, moving up in the world.

Speaker 1: 1:13:18

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Speaker 2: 1:13:40

We got to put their books. Yeah, we got to continue to put them in, Continue to put their books at the bottom of the show notes. They make us. They put up good stuff. I mean authentic Catholic stuff, man, it's good.

Speaker 1: 1:13:50

I will put some links for some Catholic books, some Catholic masculinity books, very powerful masculine liturgy and worship of our Lord Jesus.

Speaker 2: 1:14:01

Find a church that provides an extraordinary form celebration of the mass, or the Latin mass, and go. It might be a little confusing at first because you may be so used to the Novo Sordo, right, but go anyway, and go at least five or six times to begin to see at least what I was talking about when I experienced that deep Catholic masculine liturgy in 2014. So maybe another challenge Go to other things. It's part of our tradition, it's part of who we are as Catholics. 2000 years old, right? I mean, we are the Roman Latin Catholic, right, and so every single baptized Catholic has the right to have access to this mass, because it is our history, it is our tradition. It doesn't make any sense to go into a family that has deep rooted traditions and then just go into the family and say, hey, we're going to chop down this tree of traditions and then grow a new one that just absolutely is not like the original. You know what I mean? It's like someone comes into your house and saying, oh, you have this personal tradition that you celebrate with your family on Christmas, whatever it is, you do something before you have a presence and it was passed on to you from generation to generation. Oh yeah, oh hey, jimmy, by the way, we're just going to get rid of this, so you can't do it anymore. Why? Well, because we said so. So it doesn't make any sense that we would let people do that to our Catholic liturgy or tradition. So it's our right and it's my duty as a priest to sustain it and to protect it and to continue to bring it and fulfill it, because it's our tradition. The Latin mass is our tradition as a Roman Catholic Latin right. That's why we need to bring Latin, ecclesiastical Latin church, latin church language back into our developed liturgy, because they're exorcisms. Satan's not a big fan of ecclesiastical Latin. So well, hey, if why don't we just do things that Satan hates? Satan hates the rosary. So what should we do? Right, the rosary, right, right. Satan hates it when we build virtue. What should we do? Satan hates Latin Life is not that complicated.

Speaker 1: 1:16:18

It's just doing the things that we know we need to do. It comes back to St Paul.

Speaker 2: 1:16:21

And that's why we need the grace of the sacraments to do it. Yeah right, if we don't have the grace of the sacraments, how are we going to make it through this life? Right, amen, brother.

Speaker 1: 1:16:29

We're all of you listening out there. Thank you for tuning in, so until next time, go out there and be a saint. Be a saint, amen.